Welcome to the Higher Education Working Group! http://etherpad.badgealliance.org/HigherEducationWG2015-October13
Interested in giving a future talk about your higher ed badging project? Contact James Willis: firstname.lastname@example.org
Call for 22 March 2016
9am PST / 12pm EST / 5pm BST
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MEETING: March 22, 2016
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Roll Call: Who's here?
- Ian O'Byrne / email@example.com / @wiobyrne / College of Charleston
- James Willis / firstname.lastname@example.org / @Willis3James / Indiana University
- Nate Otto / email@example.com / @ottonomy / Badge Alliance
- Leslie Eldridge/ firstname.lastname@example.org/@leslie_eldridge/High5U
- Dan Hickeyemail@example.com/@dthickey
- Teresa MacKinnon @warwicklanguage
- Brandie VanOrder / firstname.lastname@example.org / University of Arizona / total newbie
- Alex Hripak / email@example.com / Credly
- Gina Howard / firstname.lastname@example.org
- Keesa Johnson / Michigan State University Hub for Innovation and Learning / email@example.com
- Kelsey O'Brien / firstname.lastname@example.org
- Carey Hamburg / UL Lafayette / email@example.com
- Don Presant / @donpresant / Learning Agents, Canada
- Patrina Law / Open University UK
- Bernard Bull / Concordia Univeristy Wisconsin / @bdean1000
First time introductions:
ANNOUNCEMENT: CfP is open for the midwest regional AAEEBL Conference at Notre Dame. Submit your proposal here: http://www.aaeebl.org/?page=notre_dame_2016
- Exploring the boundaries between ePortfolios and badges
Ian O'Byrne on Badges + Blockchain
- Slide Deck for the preso - https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ocL6k-aMzq9cMkt6uuwy_gEIWeGFs6hShLbwWeG2Lu4/edit?usp=sharing
- Posts shared:
- Slide 2: Start of discussion
- Sldie3: Where We're Headed
- What is BLockchain
- Badges nad Blockchain
- Badgechain and you
- Slide4: Blockchain
- Slide6: Blockchain
- lots of math
- Slide7: Formed by two parts
- peer-topeer network
- decentralized, distributed database
- slide8: P2P Network
- Slide9: Making sense of nodes
- Slide 10: Info is shared immediately throughout the network
- Slide11: Encrypted, private, de-identifiable
- Slide12: decentralized. No one point of failure as nodes come and go
- Slide13: Decentralized, distrubted databaase
- Slide14: The Genesis Block
- blank slate
- contains some info about the rules/ srucutre of the database
- mostly an empty slate
- Slide15: Anonymized info(time, date, data) is stacked into block
- Includes public key identifiers of transacting parties, but not "name", "address", etc. If you can associate these keys out of band with an identity, this is not anonymous.
- Slide 16: A signature/ hash is added to the block andf links to the other blocks
- SLide17: Stack up the blocks
- new blocks linked by hash and added to the chain from the "blockchain"
- two parts: peer-to-peer entwork and blockchaining.
- Slide19: Badgechain
- Slide20: Meaning
- what intersections might be contained within blockchain tech
- month old
- meeting for 3-4 months
- interested in working and learning in the open
- building the future of badges
- lots of testing and investigsting
- Slide22: What I'm geeked out about
- two posts
- one about reinventing eportfolios and "learning ledger"
- lots of opportunity to show levleing, skills, and credentials
- is there a way to evidence a skill you used to have?
- one about concepts of authority, expertise, and the"oracle"
- what if there was a way to identify a group of people as a more knowledgeable "other" or "oracle"?
- Interacting with people in the field and not in the field
- how can we create partnerships between people in the badging commnity
- Slide23: Probing Questions
- what are the best platforms and tools?
- keeping badges and tech out in the open
- sony getting involved in blockchain
- Very cognisant of badges and open badging
- what are the roles of ethics and permanance of data?+1
- slide24: badgechain and you
- go to the badgechain medium pub
- reach out to discuss tech, research and "itches to be scratched"
- cognisant of the fact that they may not have thought of everything
- will soon start bi-weekly calls to discuss blockchain, credentialling and in-between.
Questions / comments for Ian O'Byrne (please include your name at the beginning of the question / comment)
- James: the 'logic' of blockchain was formed, several years ago, by banks who didn't trust each other; it was a 'standoff' of sorts. Blockchain enforces trust by putting all the proverbial cards on the table. But, enforce is the right word. In education, we have lots of trust in one another, so is it good / right that we use a technology formed by a standoff to enforce trust with one another?
- Don: If I'm a node, how big is that database on my laptop (or phone)? Or does it imply online storage, eg with AWS?
- Ian: To be determined. ~"My thinking with Blockchain so far, the filesizes started out pretty small and are building up over time. Might be able to start with an initial proof of concept, build up a database, have those files replicated/propagated across numerous nodes in the network; as different agencies get involved, we'd start growing and need larger servers"
- Nate: With most blockchain apps, you don't need to store the whole thing on a phone client. There are two tiers of clients -- those that hold the entire database, and those that just hold a little section of it (a "wallet")
- Nate: Have you identified any specific use cases for badges + blockchains yet? User stories? (And if not, how can people collaborate to start thinking about what products are best for this combo?)
- Kerri, Serge are investigating use cases, figure out personas involved, and in parallel investigate the technologies to see what might be the best platform to try to use. Ian: ~"What I'd like to see right now is to open up the discussion to gather input on what uses there might be"
- Don: What are the potential points of contact between blockchains, badges and xAPI? To what extent could real federation meet some of the these same goals?
- Redirect question to others in the badgechain group to answer. Goal is to work with existing badges structures and models.
- Keesa - sign me up to be apart of the team!
- Dan: How does this all connect wth metadata standards such as with IMS Global abnd their Open Badge Extensions in Education project?
- Keesa - there's some ethical questions here...+1 I don't even know how to ask yet I know you know what I'm talking about.
- Does a person have a right to be forgotten? Ie. some of the ethics discussions going on in Europe re: Google; Blockchain could be permanent and unchangeable
- Ian you need to come and present at the Regional Conference Sounds good...which regional conference? :)
- Teresa: the discourse of tracking assumes big brother, not learner centric
- N: All actions in the blockchain network become public, searchable, and interconnected. There is an upside and a downside to being able to track an identifier's activity on this scale across time.
- Carey: difficulty we have with badges now, and into future, is giving Professional Development credentials that follow the recipient even after thier institutional email changes -- if BlockChain helps with this, yeah! ?
- +1 blockchain public key identifiers should be able to be used as recipient indicators for Open Badges. I would love it if this were a specific use case the badgechain team would tackle.
- Ian: I have students in front of me right now. I'd like a super lightweight way to award a badge to a twitter account
- Nate: This is coming with Open Badges 2.0 release this summer (blockchains don't help with twitter recipient id). One of the key use cases being tackled by the Standard WG. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eT2QwSsLIOSLbG4x8-uWDC-knM7lwFrXsPPm__YVWOM/edit
- Thanks! - we are using Credly now to issue our PD padges, but users have to create Credly account to accept credit. Would like a way to avoid yet one more "account" to manage+1
- Keesa: I"M INSPIRED! Open research :)
- Keesa: How does this play into creativity? This tracking and aggregation?
- Nate: How does the team balance between building one big interconnected solution, and several limited specific use cases?
- Ian: trying to figure it out
- Ian's role is as researcher and instructor; has varied experience in those fields and in experimenting and building online.
- Bernard: A key question that I've yet to answer is, "In what way does blockchain amplify or muzzle the use of badges to democratize academic credentials? " +1Bernard!
- Ian: ~"For many people in higher ed especially, people don't know what badges are. Even the tech people. There's already a challenge talking about badges. If you add "blockchain" people immediately shut down. Like going from one foreign language to another. That's part of the challenge. With BadgeChain, we're trying to make this approachable for most people."
- Formal education tends to be bad at teaching the power and value of failure on the path to learning. I also wonder about how blockchain will impact learning through failture, risk-taking, experimentation, etc.
- Nate: The blockchain technology may enforce some new capabilities into the badging ecosystem, like searchability of all badges a particular identifier has received. This is a double-edged sword. Badges issued to blockchain identities may undercut individuals' ability to curate which badges they are sharing with consumers.. if those consumers can always just query the blockchain to see what other badges those recipients have been awarded. Can there be any protections for users to not "accept" an award into the blockchain through some kind of multiple signature mechanism?
- Ian: ~"Through BadgeChain there is a chance to reinvent the badges ecosystem. We might create something awesome. We might create Terminator. Hopefully we create something in between."
- Carla: ~"I question the notion of an 'educational failure' ... look to model of kids where failure is an accepted part of the learning process"
- Leslie: If we truly want to break the current "mold" and not fear "failure" we have to encourage a new way to assess competency and assessment...I personally like the interoperability of badge chain and what it brings to the table....well said Carla failure is a wonderful teacher
Interested in giving a future talk? Please contact James Willis: firstname.lastname@example.org
Calls coming up:
- April 5: Roundtable discussion on badge issuer integrations with the Canvas LMS
upcoming conference -
- has sessions on Badges - and good excuse to visit New Orleans
- April 20 - 22
- Fom Dan: this webinar starts at 1:00pm EDT today and is a promo for the upcoming regional conference:
- "Open Badges, ePortfolios, and Connected Credentials: The Emerging Landscape of Digital Evidence" with Daniel Hickey of Indiana University, a leader in the field of connected credentials. Free webinar on March 22 from 1 to 2 pm US ET. You must register to attend. If you have been wondering where we are with badges, this is the webinar for you. http://www.aaeebl.org/events/EventDetails.aspx?id=790903