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MEETING: September 9, 2015
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Roll Call: Who's here?
Please add your name / Twitter handle / email address / intention for your involvement in the wider badges community:
- Kerri Lemoie / @kayaelle / Tech consultant building awesome web apps and tools for the Open Badges and Ed Tech ecosystems
- Federico Giacanelli / @bolsoblog / @joinbestr / https://bestr.it
- Matteo Bertazzo / @mbertazz / @joinBestr / https://bestr.it
- Nate Otto / @ottonomy / Badge Alliance
- Robin Sitten/ @ RJSit10 / email@example.com
- Lydia Schuck/ firstname.lastname@example.org
- James Willis / @Willis3James / email@example.com
- Dan Hoffman / @RedCritter / firstname.lastname@example.org
- Serge Ravet / @szerge / badge europe!
- N. Shepherd / @n.aki.a / email@example.com / interested in implementing Open Badges on our Jive platform
- Brett Herzog / firstname.lastname@example.org
- Don Presant / @donpresant / Open Badges in Canada #BadgeCAN
- Sunny Lee @soletelee
- Brenda M. Perea/@email@example.com
- Dan Hickey /@dthickey firstname.lastname@example.org
- Sukanta Pal /@iSukantapal / email@example.com
- Katie Woodmanseefirstname.lastname@example.org
First time introductions:
- Nakia Shepherd / EMC employee
REMINDER: these calls are recorded for future review and soundbites
What are you working on this week?
Open Badges Taxonomies
- In some ways, Open Badges ecosystem remains very siloed. It's hard to find badges and badged learning opportunities, or to understand how a particular badge fits into the ecosystem.
- Kerri is interested in taking the lead to define a taxonomical extension to the OB spec.
- Extensions can evolve over time as we learn more about different communities' needs for how badges should be organized.
- Today: Let's get acquainted with the idea of taxonomies and gather thoughts about what the path forward to bringing taxonomies to the Open Badges ecosystem
What is a taxonomy vs. tags:
- taxonomy is a predefined classification system with terms and definitions
- tagging is loose and free-form
Currently open badges has a tags property. The tags submitted could be anything. This may be useful within a siloed system but not as useful in a broader ecosystem. In Open Badges we have no idea who is using what tag and we also don't know what each of the tags mean.
- Within one system, tags might be exactly what an issuer needs. They understand the vocabulary they are using, after all. But this understanding doesn't transfer to users of other systems who aren't well-versed in the vocabulary of that particular issuer. There's no way to tell if two issuers are using the same vocabulary.
List of tags currently registered in Open Badges Directory: http://directory.openbadges.org/tags
- Provides a common framework (about what?) for mulitiple issuers/earners
- Serge: Taxonomies about the badge itself and its interpretation can be useful (i.e. is this about a competency, participation, etc), but there are other options that could be a better fit for criteria information.
- Brett: There's a challenge to leaving this type of information only in the criteria, that it might lose the structure and definite links and relationships that a formal taxonomical system might provide.
- Standardizes definitions (about what?)
- Provides a method of dividing a set of items (badges) into mutually exclusive containers, which is important for some organizing systems
- Easy to share with other groups or interested individuals
- structured relationships
- simplifies for tech purposes
- Leverages vocabularies shared between communities (allowing you to point more precisely to what you mean by a particular term to indicate that you're using it within a specific shared context)
- Delphi study to generate categories would be great for someone's dissertation
- "Delphi Study. The Delphi technique is a quantitative option aimed at generating consensus. It solicits opinions from groups in an iterative process of answering questions. After each round the responses are summarised and redistributed for discussion in the next round." -http://betterevaluation.org/evaluation-options/delphitechnique
- Could be used for inference thanks to the hierarchy: a badge tagged with "physics" would fall also under the "science" category in an implicity way.
- can be designed in a way that doesn't "grow" with the field it represents+1+1
- Kerri: We should build this in a way that assumes we won't get it right the first time.
- Nate: There's an opportunity to version the taxonomies, but then a risk that badges tagged with v1 of a taxonomy then don't usefully contribute information to the v2 understanding of that taxonomy. Data in badges may grow stale, and if those badges have already been issued, there are pitfalls involved whenever you think about updating badge resources.
- may not "translate" across educational environments
- object can be in several taxonomies +1!+1
- Kerri: This might also be an opportunity as well.
- A domain must be defined for every taxonomy
- Federico: My worry is that there is too much difficulty in the process, when it comes time to define a badge. You have to know how it fits into the world's pool of knowledge and classification. Risks to having too fine-grained a difference or to having categories be too broad. +1
- Don: this became a problem with classifying Learning Objects in the 90's...one system had over 80 categories
- Kerri: This is likely the reason we don't yet have a robust taxonomy of badges.
- Doesn't always fit multiple users' needs; challenge of making it "general enough" to fit many users but specific enough to provide value
- often rigid structure
- also, often tries to account for EVERYTHING, resulting in a list...not a taxonomy
- presumes we can know what the parameters are ahead of time (i.e. room for expansion is automatically limited)
- A taxonomy could be a long list on a web interface --> usability problem for an editor. Select items vs. autocomplete
- It's possible to generate an infinite list of categories or domains, which could become unmanageable, Plan for obsolescence as list of categories must be reworked every few years
- One dimensional tree/branch, unlike an ontology which can talk about relationships/nodes (but I'm not an expert)+1
- Very flexible (free form text entry)
- Accessible, inclusive, crowd-sourced+1
- Too much fine grained for one editor, too coarse grained terms added by another editor
How will taxonomies benefit your systems and the ecosystem at large?
- the taxonomy could be related to define some kind of broad families of badges, whether related to competencies, attending events, individual, collective, etc.(we actually use an internal taxonomy for this on Bestr)
- finding badges to earn+1+1
- finding earners who have certain capabilities+1
- When I talk to employers to intro badges to them, this capability is what most often comes up: the ability to filter earners to get the ones that best fit the needs.
- find earners in a region
- makes it easier to measure outcomes and seek funding for badging initiatives
- Makes it easier for employers to understand badges issued by training programs they arent intimately familiar with
- Could combine "competencies" from taxonomy to build out earner profile+1
- ...and automatically suggest new things to master?
- Serge's idea from yesterday: use badge as tag to classify other information: evidence, resource, etc.
- providing recommendations to users+1 (Duplicate of bullet # 2? )
- Setting standards for our profession (special ed) that teachers can carry nationally
- to automatically map/suggest learning resources with badges
- Helping communities come together on shared values
- (I still have a hard time to understand the relationship between a specific badge taxonomy and exisring taxonomies and frameworks like competency frameworks, semantic frameworks, etc. Is the issue about bruilding yet another framework, on top or beside existing ones?)
- building cross platform badge pathways
- Serge: Why a new taxonomy?
- Nate: I don't know that we are trying to create new taxonomies themselves, but the technology to use taxonomies to organize badge objects, I think. The decisions about how content should be divided across a subject area is best left up to subject experts. But we don't yet have a technology to use existing taxonomies well with badges.
- Nate: I'm most optimistic about the alignment field and using alignment to see how badges shake out across a subject domain.
- Serge: Can we use URI's?
- Kerri: Codes for classification are easier for programmers than URIs
- Nate: I'm pretty optimistic about URIs, as long as we can make sure that users can find the canonical URI for a particular item. I'd like to prototype technologies that provide the enumerated set of options that a community wants to use for a subject domain.+1+1
- Don: we could indicate wich taxonomies to use, Dublin core, Wikipedia etc. +1
- Using WIkipedia: starting from the URI you can link to DBPedia and do some query to get differnet languages for labels and all the related info
Do you use a taxonomy system? Do you use tags? How do you determine your classification system: user submitted, a taxonomy you created, an existing taxonomy, perhaps an institutional one?
- In Bestr we use internal vocabs in order to define topics, tags, categories and skills; topics and categories are linked to DBPedia; skills are linked to ESCO and DBPedia; the main idea is to define a new tag, with his labels in different languages (flexibility for the issuer), an internal identifier, and reference to a DBPedia | ESCO (skills) identifier; PROBLEM: we can't express all these information into the badge (we need an extension)
- Open Badge Passport: country of earner (I guess a very coarse form of geolocation) I'll push Discendum to use URIs for criterias (or within criteria) as part of the project
Hmm, what does WTF stand for? 8->
What are some types of taxonomies that would be useful?
- age level (the info should already be in the criteria)(it's not really though)(but that should be good practice)
- On embedding things in criteria, I think we have lots of opportunities to embed criteria information into badges themselves. Not so much beautifully formatted text for a human, but we can discover machine-readable ways to describe criteria+1 -- We'll absolutely have a method to do this recommended by the 2.0 spec release, targeted for June.
- grade level (ibid)
- learning objectives (ibid)
- content based (i.e. Technology, English, Art…) (ibid)
- Recognition type - possibly unique to badges?
- type of product/outcome produced(could be part of the evidence data, no?)Yes, would be in the evidence data, I am just thinking of using it to group badges
What existing taxonomies and schemas can we leverage or lean on as examples of good implementation?
Are there any other initiatives working towards this already?
Reading on developing taxonomies:
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- How do you see the relatioship between taxonomies and competency standards or any other framework (e.g. semantic, training) to inform the badge?
Moving Forward: Topics + Community leads for the weekly Community Call
We will be opening up this call to the community to help determine topics / lead / etc.
Please add topics for discussion / your name / indicate if you want to lead the call
October 7: Cities of Learning end-of-summer breakdown
Accepted topics (by interest):
- Employer engagement: national, regional, local - strategies, case studies+1+1+1+1+1 +1 +1
- Success Stories, examples, and case studies (OpenBadging in credentialing & workforce devlelopment) +1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 (Curious what people are defining as success here...
- Overview of what has happened and what is currently happening in the Cities of Learning space +1+1+1+1+1 +1+1 (Reaching out to some folks involved on this -Nate)
Contribute your ideas! Put a +1 next to the topics that you would like to discuss on this call. Those topics with the most +1 will be hosted.
- Badge start "toolbox" not just defining skills/competencies, but also self-hosting information or external hosting+1
- Where are the roadblocks, what are the issues people should know?+1+1
- Trust and security (the deleterious effects of mistaking security for trust)+1+1
- Defining learning pathways with badge endorsement+1+1+1+1+1
- Global activities: where are things happening and who's doing them +1 +1+1+1
- Open Badge Services: what services could we built on top of Open Badges? Scenarios for the future +1+1+1
- Badge-centric vs. person centric infrastructure+1+1
- Educators space+1 +1 +1+1
- Higher ed conversations may be separate from k-12 for the most part
- - and Continuing Ed. as well (Carey)+1
- Adult Ed
- Initiatives that are badge-centric occurring throughout the US but that have not been involved in the BA work
- Universal design -- access for people with disabilities +1+1 +1+1
- Strategies for integration with new workforce initiatives of WIOA statute+1
- 'Hack the Backpack' - Understanding the wants/needs of the community in terms of future development of the Backpack (Matt - DigitalMe)
Community Call: September 9 2015:
Community Call: September 2 2015:
Community Call: August 26 2015:
Reading List/Additional notes for the community
- On Learning Pathways, Competencies and Badges:
Upcoming conferences and events
Let us know where you're going to be, especially if you're giving - or attending - a badges presentation!
- DevLearn 2015
- Annual Online Learning Consortium International Conference
- October 14-16, Orlando
- Perkins eLearning presenting on Meeting the Professional Development Needs of a Niche Population - not badge specific, though
- Issuing platforms:
- Open Badges Speakers List:
Thank you for joining us!