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Audio recording: https://archive.org/details/OpenBadgesCommunityCall29July2015
WELCOME TO THE OPEN BADGES COMMUNITY CALL
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MEETING: July 29, 2015
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Roll Call: Who's here?
Please add your name / Twitter handle / email address / intention for your involvement in the wider badges community:
- Doug Belshaw / @dajbelshaw / email@example.com / evangelist and former member of Mozilla badges team!
- John Bevan / @bevangelist / firstname.lastname@example.org / Gun for Hire / Apologies, have a clash this evening but will be back soon!
- Bryan Mathers / @BryanMMathers / email@example.com / creates visual thinkery often relating to Badges
- Nate Otto / @ottonomy / firstname.lastname@example.org / Badge Alliance & Concentric Sky
- Brenda Perea/@pereaone/Brenda.email@example.com/Colorado Community College System-in a meeting so just lurking today ;)
- Sarah Stoeckl / @sarah_stoeckl / firstname.lastname@example.org / using badges to recognized educator competency
- Don Presant / @donpresant / Open Badges in Canada
- Sheryl Grant / HASTAC
- James Willis / @Willis3James / Indiana University / email@example.com
- Bohdan Andriyiv / @drabiv / Samerse / firstname.lastname@example.org
- Brett Herzog / email@example.com
- Mary Bold / U of Washington / firstname.lastname@example.org
- Liz Kline, Director of Product "New Org" email@example.com The next generation of the Cities of Learning
- Paul Nauert / @PaulFromDP / firstname.lastname@example.org
- Caroline Kuhn/@email@example.com/learn how it works so I can use it with my students in HE
- Serge Ravet / @szerge
- Devon Loffreto, kidOYO/OYOclass.com/@kid_OYO/deploying badges in k12 schools and University-based programs, as well as community events.
- Andrew Patterson, student at DevBootcamp, former high school math teacher / @apatterson3001 / firstname.lastname@example.org
First time introductions:
- Jacqueline Gardy/ @jacquiegardy/ email@example.com/ learning more about open badges for a work project!
- Starting a new education program for international English teachers. Some components will be using Open Badges.
- Roller Angel / GLOBE.gov / firstname.lastname@example.org / interested in open badges for science education community
- You should connect to the Mozilla Science Lab folks if you haven't already: http://www.mozillascience.org (they're beginning to issue badges). Also WELCOME! Will do, thanks.
- Liz Kline, Director of Product "New Org" email@example.com The next generation of the Cities of Learning .Can I know a little bit more about this idea of the Cities of Learning? Any link? http://citiesoflearning.org/
- Woohoo! WELCOME! Welcome, Liz! (- Purple! Paul lol - yes - perfect highlighting!)
- David Callaghan, Edge HIll Univeristy. @dbcallaghan. firstname.lastname@example.org. Interest: Awareness. Badges might challenge traditional assessment, so I'd like to be in on the ground floor.
- Yes, yes they will. WELCOME!
REMINDER: these calls are recorded for future review and soundbites
What are you working on this week?
- John Bevan:Starting some work in a few weeks helping BBC think about what to do next with Badges. Silent etherpadding much appreciated here -> http://workopen.org/p/bbcbadgespilot
- Doug: #OB101 (of course!)
- Nate: A few updates to badgealliance.org -- more to come. Learning Pathways, Competency Maps, (EXCELLENT!) Portable Earner Identifiers, Technology review of http://authorization.io ,
- And at CSky: Bugfixes and improvements to Badgr. Coming soon: LTI integration with Canvas
- James: Join us next Tuesday (Aug 4) for Badges in Higher Ed Working Group, featuring the work of G. Alex Ambrose at Notre Dame. More info: https://sites.google.com/site/openbadgesinhighereducation/working-group
- Bohdan: Continue to develop Samerse. Adding functionality to allow users to add prior accomplishments and to display importance of accomplishments. (Cannot unmute. Please, check http://samerse.com )
- Bryan: #OB101 also... which means drawing pictures and stuff...
- Jacquie: Learning more about open badges; getting educated!
- Reading Kevin Carey's chapter on Open Badges in his book "The End of College" http://www.amazon.com/The-End-College-University-Everywhere/dp/1594632057
- What's your thoughts so far? Or is it on your to-do list?
- Still reading it. Really interesting how he introduces them, very different than how we (the collective we...) tend to describe them in the OB community. Relieved that he doesn't compare them to Boy Scout badges! :)
- I would love a book club on this book! (Sarah)
- Me too (Liz)
- Sounds like a special community call? (and probably perfect for the summer...) +1+1
- (DonP) Question: where are the recordings from these community calls kept? (linked at the top of the etherpads after the call -- line 2)thx
- Sarah: continuing with developing a competency-based credential that recognizes educators who are using technology for learning. About to test review instrument and model with pilot group of participants. Where are you based Sarah? I like this idea. Eugene, OR at the International Society for Technology in Education (ISTE).USA? Yes, although we are an internationally focused organization.Great! Thanks! My email and Twitter is above if you want to connect after this call.
- Liz: Tech team is building out our badge approval queue, working on UI designs for our Badge Backpack/Portfolio feature set, supporting the 100K pilot initiative in Chicago to employ Opportunity Youth
- CarolineKuhn: I am not working at the moment in nothing as this is the first time I am involved with OpenBadges, my intention is to learn today and see how I can get involved. I think my students could design their own badges, it will make them aware and conscious about what they are learning and for what. I think I could help with content maybe?
- Devendra Mangani: We have build a online badging system for intel. Here is the link - http://learningbadges.intel.com/ These badges are awarded for science projects done by students. Also,we are working on integrating badges with moodle. We will share the link to access the badges system soon.
- Question: why 'digital badges' rather than 'Open Badges'?This was primarily used by Intel and will check whether these badges were OBI compliant. As far as I remember, these badges are OBI compliant. The SSP badges are definitely OB compliant. They were recipients of the Badges of Lifelong Learning awards (via HASTAC/MacArthur: https://www.hastac.org/wiki/project-qa-intel-and-society-science-and-public-badges). Thats true. I was bit confused with the word digital badges. Cool, thanks.
We have to start today’s call on a somber note. Over the weekend, John Knight, husband to the BA’s founding director Erin, died in a tragic accident at home. John was an important contributor to this community in his own right, including recently building and maintaining the web infrastructure to support many of the BA’s sites and documentation. Many of us were, me included, were looking forward to working with John more over the coming months. This is a terrible loss for Erin and their two young children.
- John was a great guy. Thoughts and prayers with Erin and family. :(
1) John W. Knight Education Fund at Breakwater Learning
Both Erin and John have been committed to progressive educational advancement programs over the past decade, and most recently at their children’s (current and future) school, Breakwater. With that, Erin has established a fund at Breakwater in John's honor. John's limitless curiosity and endless enthusiasm for science, technology, and education will continue through this fund by supporting and promoting creativity and innovation in those fields at Breakwater. You can find more information here: http://bit.ly/JohnKnight_BreakwaterLearning
2) Knight Family Support
If you would prefer to show your support to the Knight family directly during this time, you can find more information about there here: http://bit.ly/KnightFamily
Introductory Resources for Those New To the Badge Ecosystem
Bryan Mathers, Doug Belshaw & participants -- a guided scavenger hunt
- Open Badges 101 (#OB101): http://badges.thinkoutloudclub.com
- If you type in "Open Badges" in your favorite search engine, are you going to get everything you need to introduce you to the technical ecosystem and community?
- Doug Belshaw: Badges community veteran, currently consulting on badges with his consulting company Dynamic Skillset http://dynamicskillset.com/
- Bryan Mathers: City & Guilds
- The Think Out Loud Club: http://Thinkoutloudclub.com - trying to
- Under the City & Guilds banner, Bryan and Doug are putting together an introductory course.
- Bryan is not only a guru of badges & fantastic programmer, but he's also a fantastic artist. His illustrations are already peppered all over the badges ecosystem, but especially on http://badges.thinkoutloudclub.com He is AMAZING!
- They're trying to facilitate some collaborative documentation development.
- They integrated a tech called Hypothesis: http://hypothes.is to the course site, so that visitors can comment to provide feedback.
- Divided into several sections
- What, Why, How do I get going?
- They'd like to consider issuing badges for completion of modules, perhaps with peer-awarding. Badge platform is to-be-decided.
- What they really need is suggestions for content.
- So, you can write some stuff!
- Or you could link them to some stuff
- Or help them with css, website mechanics
- (Don) How will you assess participation in the course?
- Probably will follow the p2pu.org model. Anyone who has been issued a badge can then assess and award the same badge to others.
- Bryan: We're also open to some creativity about what badges they issue along the way. Maybe some .... hidden.... badges!?
- Could be fun to issue other badges for adding value to course... \o/
- The perspective of new-to-badges people is also really valuable!
- Hopefully this course can then remix and respin for different purposes.
What are Open Badges?
Who issues Open Badges?
- A PR firm involved in Badges for Lifelong Learning work insisted we would lose people if we insisted on referring to them as "open" badges. PR firms deal with the status quo.If you search for digital badges, you see more news articles, so this seems to mean something. At HASTAC, we went to "open digital badge" because of the philosophical importance of including open without it being confusing for lay people. Either way, I think it has to be addressed when defining open badges. :)
- In my presentations with beginner audiences, I also realize that people assume badges are assessment, instead of badges are credentials -- and no one thinks about what a credential actually is (a medium of exchange based on a collective belief in its value).
- Mozilla's Badges page (Digital vs Open badges etc): https://wiki.mozilla.org/Badges
- What are badges? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgLLq7ybDtc
- Open Badges Intros (playlist): https://youtu.be/zuAQ3P_TN0M?list=PLxEsMPV549khNa-sQYHIyfjS6cRXULvUv
- OpenBadges User Documentation - MoodleDocs: https://docs.moodle.org/dev/OpenBadges_User_Documentation
- Mozilla's Badges/Onboading-issuer: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Badges/Onboarding-Issuer
- http://www.bbc.co.uk/academy/work-in-broadcast/openbadges/pilot whoah psychedelic!
- I tried to type in open badges and it was difficult to find, as Doug said there are confusing addresses. I then went to the video and copied the address he put there. (not Sheryl :)
- http://ottonomy.net/2013/09/01/what-is-an-open-badge/ - some definitions collected
- I think that the Digital is what we by default use when talking about the web and things related to it
- https://www.badgealliance.org/why-badges/ <--I like this page.
- Doug: Risk of watering things down if we just speak about digital badges. Open badges.
- Don: I'm starting to say portable digital credentials using the Mozilla OB standard...partly because a lot of my focus is on adult contexts
- It's partly how people process new information...that's why I say credential before I say badge, but I don't separate them by much. I also mention military before I mention boy scouts.
- Doug: Great explanation of open vs digital - thanks!
- I like "portable digital credentials." I've been noodling on the issue of "badges" perhaps sounding less professional/mature so what other terminology would work.
- Bryan: The "open" is pretty key!
- Devendra: I think it could be social open badges or social badges
- In academia, if I say "badges," people laugh and don't take them seriously. Some people get irritated, too, because they feel students are too reward focused. We use "micro-credentials."
- Horses for courses, so long as we get 'open' in there. :)
- Does the group feel that "open" and "portable" are interchangeable no or say essentially the same thing?
- "connectable" would be more useful than being "portable" — to create chains of trust :-)
- Serge: verifiable credentials? It's obvious that they are digital, so we can drop 'digital'+1+1
- When I search open badges, I get more Mozilla branded info + tech stuff -- not exactly helpful for a beginner with low tech. When I search for digital badges, i get articles that explain it to a layperson
- http://openbadges.org/participating-issuers/ - what are the mechanisms for updating this list?
- Anh:09:51 I've gone through the first 20+ pages of Google, doesn't even list all the issuing platforms
- It's a particular problem with the non-listed organizations
- The directory projects aren't comprehensive, and the existing curated lists aren't comprehensive either.
- It's hard to tell when you're looking at one particular program that issues digital badges whether their badges are open or not. +1 (that's why it's important we all use the same terminology - even if it's 'digital micro-credentials aligned with Mozilla's Open Badges Infrastructure')
- Found this comment on one of the Coder Dojo blog posts about Open Badges: I’ve seen the open badge development starting and moving on and we have been discussing this internally as well (still on going!). While we do absolutely feel a shared badge system would greatly benefit the community, we do have our doubts about this happening publicly online. E.g. “ninja’s can display them proudly”. Where would that be? Most ninja’s are too young to have public profiles or websites and if we publish it we might run into legal issues since we publish private information of minors. Our idea at this moment is to literally create buttons which the ninja’s can pin on their bags or jackets to show of the badges. This can of course be linked to the worldwide badge system being developed in Open Badges. Main concern in this whole story is how to treat the publishing of this data in conjunction with minors. I’m very curious what other people in the community think about this!
How do you get started issuing badges?
I earned a badge. What do I do with it? <--This is a pain point
How do badge earners share them? What do they get?
What are the other important questions to people new to badges?
- How *many* organisations / badges (etc.) are there - i.e. is this a big deal? Should I bother paying attention to it?
- which online learning portals issue badges?
- What public badges can I earn (similar to above)? There used to be an easy way to earn your first badge, but where do we point people now (other than #OB101...)
- It'd be nice to have them grouped: instant, easy, not so easy, bloody hard...
- What's the point of badges? Do employers (or others) even care? How do we demonstrate/sell their value and what they mean?+1
- It would be cool to see an example or two of what it looks like to display badges for professional purposes, like on a CV or online profile, etc. - why that would be impressive to prospective employer or connection. I've got a collection on mine: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dajbelshaw Nice!
- Who owns the "evidence" +1
- We're working on a website repository (case studies / working group / blog links / publications) for open badges in higher ed: https://sites.google.com/site/openbadgesinhighereducation/home
- lessons learned or best practices or research to help persuade institutional leaders to adopt badges
- How do I create an Open Badges Backpack to start collecting badges? http://backpack.openbadges.org/backpack/login
- Thanks Nate! :) Everyone get involved in #OB101! +1
- Thank you !! There is a learning journey for me! Happy to lear always :)
Moving Forward: Topics + Community leads for the weekly Community Call
We will be opening up this call to the community to help determine topics / lead / etc.
Please add topics for discussion / your name / indicate if you want to lead the call
And we can help folks with the flow and co-pilot as needed.
Accepted topics (by interest):
(Curious what people are defining as success here...)
- Intro to badge basics for those new to the ecosystem from experienced developers / issuers+1+1+1+1 (Today)+1
- Employer engagement: national, regional, local - strategies, case studies+1+1+1+1+1 +1 +1
- Success Stories, examples, and case studies (OpenBadging in credentialing & workforce devlelopment) +1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1
- Overview of what has happened and what is currently happening in the Cities of Learning space +1+1+1+1+1 +1+1 (Reaching out to some folks involved on this -Nate)
Let's rank order topics based on interest / importance. Put a +1 next to the topics that you would like to discuss on this call. Those topics with the most +1 will be hosted.
- Badge start "toolbox" not just defining skills/competencies, but also self-hosting information or external hosting+1
- Where are the roadblocks, what are the issues people should know?+1+1
- Trust and security (the deleterious effects of mistaking security for trust)+1+1
- Defining learning pathways with badge endorsement+1+1
- Global activities: where are things happening and who's doing them +1 +1+1
- Open Badge Services: what services could we built on top of Open Badges? Scenarios for the future +1
- Badge-centric vs. person centric infrastructure+1+1
- Educators space+1 +1 +1
- Higher ed conversations may be separate from k-12 for the most part
- - and Continuing Ed. as well (Carey)
- Initiatives that are badge-centric occurring throughout the US but that have not been involved in the BA work
- Universal design -- access for people with disabilities +1+1 +1
- Strategies for integration with new workforce initiatives of WIOA statute+1
Community Call: July 22, 2015: "Ideal Badge System Feature Set" -- Brett Bixler, Penn State University
Community Call: July 15, 2015: Bohdan Andriyiv, Samerse / Noah Geisel, Aurora Public Schools badging system
Community Call: July 8, 2015: Badge Alliance / Learning Pathways & Competency Maps
Reading List/Additional notes for the community
Upcoming conferences and events
Let us know where you're going to be, especially if you're giving - or attending - a badges presentation!
- CNUSD 2nd Annual Digital Badge Summer Institute
- July 27 - 29 (TODAY!) <--Anyone there?
- Issuing platforms:
- Open Badges Speakers List:
Thank you for joining us!